30-06 to the neck

A 30-06 round to the front/side of the neck blows out a large chunk of the spine on its way out (the exit wound is always larger than the entry wound). Anyone who has hunted buck with a 30-aught6 knows this.

It is impossible that someones neck is so strong that it 100% stops a 30-06 from exiting - impossible - anyone who tells you anything different is insulting your intelligence.



30-06 to body armor

The doctor who recently came forward saying Kirks flesh and bone stopped a 30-06 round from exiting didn't say anything about body armor, or that the round was fractured before entry, but let's pull on that thread too just to leave no room for speculation.

30-06 rounds go clean through concealable armor plates. There's an inverse relationship between concealability and protection level - if a plate is thin enough to be nearly unnoticed under a tshirt, it's not stopping a 30-06.

Now the ricochet theory...let's say that a 30-06 hits the top of a concealable armor plate and ricochets upwards in to the neck. The ricochet will fracture the round and cause a larger entry wound - but neck flesh and bone still isn't stopping a fractured 30-06. This is a powerful round capable of blowing heads of shoulders at relatively far distances.

Let's see the expertise of the membership.

Stone cold truth

"The FBI has yet to confirm that they have recovered the bullet from the Kirk shooting, with only the brass casing from the bullet being reported from the scene. When asked by Bret Baier of Fox News about whether a bullet had been recovered and matched to the rifle, Gov. Cox could not provide a definitive answer only saying that he believes what is being “processed” right now at the FBI Headquarters in Quantico, Virginia. The bullet casings allegedly found from the shooter contained anti-fascist messages, playing into the narrative that the shooter was a radicalized leftist. It is important to note that the Wall Street Journal breathlessly reported that the bullet casings also included pro-transgender messaging, although subsequent reports from the FBI report no such thing. The lack of a bullet being found, and no answers given as to why it has not been retrieved, raises additional suspicion about the FBI’s story.

A PECULIAR PROVOCATEUR
George Zinn, the leftist provocateur in the audience, caused a diversion and was detained at the perfect moment to give the rooftop shooter cover to perform their successful getaway. Zinn also was a witness to the Sept. 11 attacks and had been arrested in 2013 for making a false bomb threat during the Salt Lake City Marathon shortly after the Boston Marathon bombing. This dubious character being planted at the scene seems like more than an act of mere happenstance, especially considering he was arrested and hit with possession of media depicting child abuse days later. It would not be the first time that the feds have used a pedo predator for their own aims."

It depends *ENTIRELY* on what kind of round was used.

If no bullet has been recovered, it's highly likely that the shooter used a round that was loaded with a frangible bullet.

BTW, the proper way to write .30-'06 is..........

.30-'06

Official name, ".30 US Government, Model of 1906".

I was noodling around about this last night.

Again, no sniper I, but I wondered if this may have been a subsonic round (although it was certainly loud enough). Reason being is that the rifle in question is supposedly a WWI anttique, and while Mausers are supposedly tough as nails, Grandpa may have chosen to use subsonic ammo to decrease stress on the old rifle. Pure speculation on my part but the kid may have not paid any attention to what box of ammo he swiped out of the gun locker when he jacked the rifle.

Questions:

Was he wearing body armor beneath T shirt?

Also, the bullet should be in FBI possession.

Why was there no drone surveillance?

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Originally posted by Jefiner:
I was noodling around about this last night.

Again, no sniper I, but I wondered if this may have been a subsonic round (although it was certainly loud enough). Reason being is that the rifle in question is supposedly a WWI anttique, and while Mausers are supposedly tough as nails, Grandpa may have chosen to use subsonic ammo to decrease stress on the old rifle. Pure speculation on my part but the kid may have not paid any attention to what box of ammo he swiped out of the gun locker when he jacked the rifle.

Unlikely, I'd say.

Subsonic rounds have a very generous trajectory, kinda like a mortar round when compared to other standard velocity rifle rounds. Yes, you can sight in a rifle at almost any range for almost any round (within absolute limits), but it gets pretty tricky, and he didn't have a whole lot of time to set up as far as estimating the range from his position to Kirk's position and then making sure his rifle was sighted in for that range. I've heard estimates of anywhere from 130 yards to 200 yards and that would take a lot of range time and rounds expended to get dialed in if subsonic ammo was used. Also, there was the matter of the overhang of that awning that Kirk was standing under interfering with the trajectory of a subsonic round.

Further, there's really no concern over the safety of firing that rifle with standard ammo. 8mm Mauser ammo from the WWII era was operating in a similar pressure range as even modern .30-'06 ammo, as long as you're not talking about some super-duper hotrod loading. The main issue when re-barreling an 8mm Mauser rifle to .30-'06 is the action is a tad too short - 8mm has a case length of 57mm and .30-'06 has a case length of 63mm. You'll usually see rifles like that with a small notch milled through the rear edge of the receiver ring to allow for the increased overall length, but even that is usually only an issue when reloading from stripper clips and not with single loading, which is the way this rifle with a scope would *have to be* reloaded.

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Originally posted by Brutus:

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Originally posted by Jefiner:
I was noodling around about this last night.

Again, no sniper I, but I wondered if this may have been a subsonic round (although it was certainly loud enough). Reason being is that the rifle in question is supposedly a WWI antique, and while Mausers are supposedly tough as nails, Grandpa may have chosen to use subsonic ammo to decrease stress on the old rifle. Pure speculation on my part but the kid may have not paid any attention to what box of ammo he swiped out of the gun locker when he jacked the rifle.

Unlikely, I'd say.

"9Subsonic rounds have a very generous trajectory, kinda like a mortar round when compared to other standard velocity rifle rounds. Yes, you can sight in a rifle at almost any range for almost any round (within absolute limits), but it gets pretty tricky, and he didn't have a whole lot of time to set up as far as estimating the range from his position to Kirk's position and then making sure his rifle was sighted in for that range. I've heard estimates of anywhere from 130 yards to 200 yards and that would take a lot of range time and rounds expended to get dialed in if subsonic ammo was used. Also, there was the matter of the overhang of that awning that Kirk was standing under interfering with the trajectory of a subsonic round.

Further, there's really no concern over the safety of firing that rifle with standard ammo. 8mm Mauser ammo from the WWII era was operating in a similar pressure range as even modern .30-'06 ammo, as long as you're not talking about some super-duper hotrod loading. The main issue when re-barreling an 8mm Mauser rifle to .30-'06 is the action is a tad too short - 8mm has a case length of 57mm and .30-'06 has a case length of 63mm. You'll usually see rifles like that with a small notch milled through the rear edge of the receiver ring to allow for the increased overall length, but even that is usually only an issue when reloading from stripper clips and not with single loading, which is the way this rifle with a scope would *have to be* reloaded.

Info from ANON source

As we know, the tent cameras with their SD cards were immediately (within five minutes) removed from the crime scene. Fatal round was likely a much smaller bullet, perhaps a suppressed hollow point .22 Winchester Magnum that was synched to the louder .30-06 round with the aid of the suspiciously observed hand and arm signals. Whether it was delivered by a pistol or a long gun is yet unclear."

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Originally posted by Brutus:

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Originally posted by Jefiner:
I was noodling around about this last night.

Again, no sniper I, but I wondered if this may have been a subsonic round (although it was certainly loud enough). Reason being is that the rifle in question is supposedly a WWI anttique, and while Mausers are supposedly tough as nails, Grandpa may have chosen to use subsonic ammo to decrease stress on the old rifle. Pure speculation on my part but the kid may have not paid any attention to what box of ammo he swiped out of the gun locker when he jacked the rifle.

Unlikely, I'd say.

Subsonic rounds have a very generous trajectory, kinda like a mortar round when compared to other standard velocity rifle rounds. Yes, you can sight in a rifle at almost any range for almost any round (within absolute limits), but it gets pretty tricky, and he didn't have a whole lot of time to set up as far as estimating the range from his position to Kirk's position and then making sure his rifle was sighted in for that range. I've heard estimates of anywhere from 130 yards to 200 yards and that would take a lot of range time and rounds expended to get dialed in if subsonic ammo was used. Also, there was the matter of the overhang of that awning that Kirk was standing under interfering with the trajectory of a subsonic round.

Further, there's really no concern over the safety of firing that rifle with standard ammo. 8mm Mauser ammo from the WWII era was operating in a similar pressure range as even modern .30-'06 ammo, as long as you're not talking about some super-duper hotrod loading. The main issue when re-barreling an 8mm Mauser rifle to .30-'06 is the action is a tad too short - 8mm has a case length of 57mm and .30-'06 has a case length of 63mm. You'll usually see rifles like that with a small notch milled through the rear edge of the receiver ring to allow for the increased overall length, but even that is usually only an issue when reloading from stripper clips and not with single loading, which is the way this rifle with a scope would *have to be* reloaded.

Thanks for the good and thorough explanation.

One other thought . . . possible the rounds were handloaded, since the idiot was busy etching bullshit Antifa slogans on them? Maybe a dud round?

Again, Occam's razor rules.

No doubt, Brutus knows his beans.

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Originally posted by Jefiner:
Thanks for the good and thorough explanation.

One other thought . . . possible the rounds were handloaded, since the idiot was busy etching bullshit Antifa slogans on them? Maybe a dud round?

Again, Occam's razor rules.

1) Maybe handloaded, maybe not. You can etch on the cases of factory ammo just the same as on handloads.

2) I didn't know there was any conjecture about a "dud round". What's that about?

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It depends *ENTIRELY* on what kind of round was used.

If no bullet has been recovered, it's highly likely that the shooter used a round that was loaded with a frangible bullet.

This is possible--a lead-tip hunting round or fractile round could have been used.
It depends *ENTIRELY* on what kind of round was used.

If no bullet has been recovered, it's highly likely that the shooter used a round that was loaded with a frangible bullet and only fragments remain present.

But new video is emerging suggesting a shot from the rear with neck as the exit wound.

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Info from ANON source

As we know, the tent cameras with their SD cards were immediately (within five minutes) removed from the crime scene. Fatal round was likely a much smaller bullet, perhaps a suppressed hollow point .22 Winchester Magnum that was synched to the louder .30-06 round with the aid of the suspiciously observed hand and arm signals. Whether it was delivered by a pistol or a long gun is yet unclear."

Yes--I saw the vid of the guy in the tan cammo on the other side of the fence palming something, that is pointing at Kirk--and at the exact moment he squeezes his fingers, like he is triggering something we hear the shot. Then he leaps over the barrier and goes towards Kirk. This is super suspicious.

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The main issue when re-barreling an 8mm Mauser rifle to .30-'06 is the action is a tad too short - 8mm has a case length of 57mm and .30-'06 has a case length of 63mm. You'll usually see rifles like that with a small notch milled through the rear edge of the receiver ring to allow for the increased overall length, but even that is usually only an issue when reloading from stripper clips and not with single loading, which is the way this rifle with a scope would *have to be* reloaded.

This depends upon just what type of Mauser action you intend to barrel. if its originally made for 8mm Mauser--a 30-06 or .308 barrel can be done without notching the receiver as show in the photo abobe. I have a Polish Mauser that was originally in 8mm Mauser, reworked to 30-06 and no notching was required. Same with my 1928 Mexican Mauser (made in Berlin) which was reworked into .308. The original 8mm Mauser actions were long enough to rework without notching. And yes--with a scope mounted, you'd have to single load each round into the spring loaded box and could not use a stripper clip.

Even when the assassination is caught in full, horrifying detail on video and then they follow a trail of evidence from the place where people saw the shooter to the hidden rifle, and then the shooter, who happens to be a tranny-fucking weirdo, confesses all over text messages and turns himself in, it still has to be a conspiracy.

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Even when the assassination is caught in full, horrifying detail on video and then they follow a trail of evidence from the place where people saw the shooter to the hidden rifle, and then the shooter, who happens to be a tranny-fucking weirdo, confesses all over text messages and turns himself in, it still has to be a conspiracy.

Funny how that works, ain't it?

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Even when the assassination is caught in full, horrifying detail on video and then they follow a trail of evidence from the place where people saw the shooter to the hidden rifle, and then the shooter, who happens to be a tranny-fucking weirdo, confesses all over text messages and turns himself in, it still has to be a conspiracy.

I didn't say he wasn't involved. He confesed something to his father and Mormon Bishop, but did he say he pulled the trigger. He is not cooperating with the investigators. Initially I thought Tyler was alone--and was possibly wrong about him wearing body armor.

This blood pouring out of Kirk's neck seems like an exit wound with this clearer video that's out now. And Tyler jumping off the roof without a rifle--and they said it was broken down. I am leaning towards Tyler being an Oswald and involved this way. Could be wrong though--they may have the bullet and matched it to the Mauser.