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Some very basic education about Russian defense and "retreat" for all the Zelensky shillbots out there
These are the same Zelensky shillbots that said every other time the Russians "retreated" that it was the end for Russia in Eastern Ukraine. Then a week or so later, the Ukrainian forces that these shills encouraged with propaganda of "Russian defeat" were annihilated by Russian air and artillery forces in one meat grinder after another. Notice that it is never the Zelensky shillbots that actually ever do any fighting, but they are experts at getting regular Ukrainian forces slaughtered.

There is no Russian defeat. But the Russians often make tactical retreats. To understand this elementary tactic, it is time to turn to Team Zelensky's most hated voice of truth, the Saker:

"So all I propose to do today is to explain something really basic about the concept of defense (in reality defensive operations are much more complex!).

First, this how Hollywood and the mainstream media present defense: you stand and fight, and if the enemy overruns your defensive position, you lost.

The reality could not be further from this silly notion.

Europeans are used to the kind of terrain you would have in central Europe, i.e. a terrain with a lot of geographical and topological features which favor a dug in static defense. For example, I did my basic training in an electronic warfare unit which was mostly deployed in the Swiss mountains and I can tell you that a single mountain infantry company (in some extreme cases even a well prepared platoon!) can fully lock a narrow valley or a pass against an entire mechanized/armored battalion (especially if that mountain infantry is supported by well concealed – mountains are ideal for that – and powerful long range artillery!). Much of Europe is what is called “mixed terrain” that is to say a mix of fields, forests, small town and villages, many rivers (often with steep banks and rapid currents), bigger and stronger regional towns, etc. etc. etc. In that terrain you are naturally inclined to make the best use of these features and hold on to good defensive positions. In fact, in this kind of terrain it is often impossible to deploy a full mechanized/tank brigade or division (they are too big!) and you are simply forced to fight mostly infantry battles with smaller subunits.

The Ukraine is totally different. The eastern Ukraine, the Donbass, has a lot of small towns, and this is why the Ukrainians dug in and hold towns like Avdeevka. However, once you leave that more heavily populated line of towns and villages, you mostly have open steppe with a few rivers and scattered forests, many of them pretty small. This is why only small Ukronazi units can hide in these small forests, their bigger units mostly hide inside towns and cities, basically using the local civilians as “human shields” and since these Nazis hate the local “separs” anyway – they have no illusions about the real sympathies of most Ukrainians in the south and east – they don’t care at all if scores of civilians die in Russian strikes! In fact, in a recent video Gonzalo Lira, who is currently in Kharkov, stated that since most of the anti-Russian locals are under no illusion about the inevitable outcome, they have long left Kharkov, hence the SBU’s “hunt” for “separs” and other “pigdogs” and “biomaterial” amongst the remaining population. Yet another reason for the Russian to go everything humanly possible to avoid civilian casualties!

So in the case of warfare in the Ukraine, I think that it is helpful to think of it as “a land version of a naval battle” which centers not on the control of this or that wave, but on destroying the enemy forces while not getting destroyed yourself.

The next thing which I need to bring up is force concentrations. The war in the Ukraine is more similar to soccer in which attackers and defenders fight each other all over the field than to US football in which there is a clear line of scrimmage and where everything is about “conquering” more terrain or advancing downfield. This means that there are always temporarily unoccupied “grey zones” (think of them as parts of the soccer field which happen to be empty but which could quickly become a “combat area” if a pass is made there and two players will fight each other for control of the ball).

Just these two facts very strongly suggest that a mobile defense is the way to go on such terrain. These are generalizations, of course, but by and large they apply.

Next, when you have enough manpower, you normally would organize your defense into two, more rarely three, defensive echelons so if the enemy breaks through the first line, he is faced with a second line of defense and his flanks are potentially exposed to envelopment from all sides. And just to make sure that your defenses hold, it is recommended to have a reserve force behind the 2nd line of defense ready to “plug” any “holes” and/or to be used in a counter-attack (and if things go well, this reserve for can be used as a maneuver group to counter-attack). With a few crucial exceptions, this is not the case in the Ukraine, especially not for the Russian forces who are roughly at a 1:3 numerical disadvantage. This 1:3 figure is misleading, because it ignores the kind of force ratios which can be achieved locally.

Conversely, the Russians have an advantage in 1) firepower 2) maneuverability (they can move under the protection of Russian airpower and artillery, which the Ukrainians cannot) 3) logistics 4) reach (the Russians can strike even in the far western Ukraine 5) C3ISR 6) morale and 7) training.

There is another rule of thumb which should not be taken as dogma, but which is still helpful to keep in mind: a successful attack often requires a 3:1 advantage for the attacking side. This ratio can go up to 6:1 and even higher in strongly built cities. Since the Russians already have an overall 1:3 DIS-advantage in manpower, it is quite possible that in specific segments of the front, that disadvantage might locally peak at even much worse ratios, yet another argument for the Russians to first grind down Ukronazi forces, if needed by conceding terrain, before engaging in any counter-attack/counter-offensive. And this is why

All these Russian advantages all dictate a flexible, mobile, defensive strategy to counter Ukrainian attacks.

In other words, it would be absolutely INSANE for Russians to try to hold a static defensive line at all cost just to prevent the Ukronazis to claim yet another “immense victory”. So, keeping this in might, let’s revisit the Ukrainian “counter-offensives”, bullet style.

These supposed “counter-offensives” were announced weeks in advance (which the Russians noticed)
Then the Ukrainians began by sustained artillery strikes to weaken the Russian defenses (and, thereby, indicate again to the Russians where they planned to attack).
Then the Ukrainians concentrated large forces (which the Russians saw, of course) and then threw them all into a (relatively) mass assault on what they believed were the weakest spots in the Russian defenses.
This is what happened north of Kherson and this is what is happening just north of Balakleia now. And it will happen again on other parts of the immense frontline. And, each time, the Russians will resist if/when possible, but they will quickly concede terrain and fall back if pressed hard, not only to save Russian lives (why waste them for a few trenches or buildings??) and to “pull in” the Ukrainians into a network of mobile defenses.

So how does a mobile defense work?

Basically, it uses the Russian advantages (firepower, maneuverability, logistics, reach, C3ISR, morale and training) to save as many Russian lives as possible while killing as many Ukrainian soldiers are possible. Why? Because while terrain can always be re-conquered, dead soldiers cannot be resurrected.

So let me repeat this again: the Russians retreating before a determined Ukrainian attack is not the exception in this war, it is the rule. So we should EXPECT the Russians to do that every time the Ukrainians launch a mass assault and sends entire battalions into the Russian meat grinder.

Some have suggested that this is bad tactic since it gives Kiev a good PSYOP/PR opportunity. To this I will reply two things:

Kiev does not need anything anchored in reality to declare “heroic victories”, they can literally take a photo in the “grey zone”, then quickly run away and present that as a huge victory (they did just that a few days ago)
Russian commanders will not sacrifice Russian soldiers for a short lived PR victory. That would be both immoral and totally self-defeating.
Think of the Russian advantages for a second (again: firepower, maneuverability, logistics, reach, C3ISR, morale and training) and realize that they are all dependent on the Russian ability to fight against the Ukronazis with lower manpower which, in turn, should suggest to you that the single most precious element of the Russian warfighting machine is the Russian solider: if the Russians tried to emulate Ukrainian “tactics” (i.e., throwing as much meat in the meatgrinder as available) they would quickly run out of the required manpower which, in turn, would create both military and political problems for the Kremlin.

And now, a flashback of sorts.

Remember when before the Russian SMO many observers including myself said that Russia would not invade the Ukraine simply because the Russians did kind of numbers needed to invade the Ukraine? Well, this was true then and this is STILL true!

The SMO is not a regular combined arms operation and the Russian STILL do not have the kind of manpower to “occupy the Ukraine”. However, what the Russians did is the following:

First, they gave the US/NATO (not the clowns in Kiev) and ultimatum which they knew the West would reject.

Next, they basically destroyed the Ukrainian military as a coherent whole and broke it up into smaller, uncoordinated forces. Oh sure, after a week or so, the Ukrainians still had a few aircraft left, plenty of subunits (brigades and below), some air defenses, etc. but what they lost is the ability to use all these resources as part of a single plan!

Then the Russian began slowly and methodically grinding down the huge Ukrainian force in the Donbass (that is the force whose attack the Russians preempted).

They pushed hard along the coast creating a southern front which the Ukrainians had to protect, tying down Ukrainian forces (which are still terrified by a possible Russian land and amphibious assault towards Nikolaev and Odessa).

And now they are basically waiting for the Ukrainians to come to them instead of going after the Ukrainians. Oh sure, when possible, the Russians will push forward, but they will concede terrain if/when needed.

Which leaves one last parameter: time.

Banderastan is a bloody mess, a failed state, a country 404 which is turning into a horror show run by a mix of local Nazis and US Neocons (what an ugly pair these two make!). Western governments, ALL OF THEM, are in really bad shape, all the western economies have gone over the edge and are now falling into a recession and even into a fullscale de-industrialization. The biggest western power, the USA, is run by a brain-dead old man, a former call-girl and with a Neocon ruling class which is absolutely terrified of the upcoming elections.

In sharp contrast, the Russian economy’s contraction will be in the 2% range by the end of the year, Putin is as popular as ever, as is Mishustin, the vast majority of Russians fully support the SMO and the Russian economy (a real economy, not a FIRE based one!) is flush with money and has the support of most of the planet.

So whose side is time on? I think that the answer is obvious. So the full list of Russian advantages should also include time: firepower, maneuverability, logistics, reach, C3ISR, morale, training and time..." [link to thesaker.is (secure)]
 
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Well, obviously. Everything is coming up roses for Russia. Victory is only days away. Certainly by mid-2022.
 
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Why would Russia need to make any “tactical” retreat against a force that is starving, weaponless, mostly on foot, surrendering in droves, and is being decimated by 60,000 artillery shells per day at a kill ratio of 30 to 1?
 
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Why would Russia need to make any “tactical” retreat against a force that is starving, weaponless, mostly on foot, surrendering in droves, and is being decimated by 60,000 artillery shells per day at a kill ratio of 30 to 1?


The answer to all these questions will be answered within the next 3 months. As for myself...I don't know squat..
nor do I pretend to know squat
 
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This explains it. It’s not a retreat, just an “organized transfer”. lmao

 
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If you look at this battle map, you will see a huge salient (pocket) developing in the lines. It appears that the Russian are withdrawing allowing the Ukranians to pour into this pocket.

Now I am reading that Russia is mobilizing several of their paratrooper divisions and concentrating armor units to the flanks of this salient.

The Ukrainians seem to be launching a "Battle of the Bulge" last ditch effort to 'break through' Russian lines to split their forces. If you look at the long lines of Ukrainian soldiers actually marching to the front (literally thousands upon thousands) you will see how rag-tag they actually are. The only problem is that they telegraphed their intent and area of attack with artillery barrages beforehand. The Ukrainians suffered massive loses with this counter offensive (over 5000 killed or wounded). This an all-in move on Ukraine's side.

The Western media are howling and clapping like trained seals at this alleged victory over Russia --but I think this is not going to last long. If what I think is going to happen is that Russia is going to shut the door on the Ukrano-nazis (Stalingrad style) and turn the salient into a mass grave for Ukraine. The Ukrainians have moved into a vast open steppe area perfect for such an operation.
 
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Why would the Russians withdraw at all if the Ukrainians are starving, weaponless, mostly on foot, and surrendering in droves? Why don’t they just keep lobbing 60,000 shells a day and kill them 30-1?
 
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Why would the Russians withdraw at all if the Ukrainians are starving, weaponless, mostly on foot, and surrendering in droves? Why don’t they just keep lobbing 60,000 shells a day and kill them 30-1?


because they're not all cunts like yourself who lives alone in a shitty double wide. See yourself at the ass-end of the image below...

 
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lmao lmao lmao lmao lmao lmao lmao lmao lmao lmao


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Russia launched a massive barrage of hyper sonic missiles and destroyed Ukraine's electrical grid system country wide. The strikes are continuing as I type this and are now targeting rail and road work network systems west of the Dieper River and into Keiv itself (targeting government buildings). The Ukranian civilian population is now going to spend a long, hard cold winter without power and in many places running water. 1dance1

The Russians it seems have taken off the gloves. Thousands upon thousands of Ukranian soldiers are now killed and wounded in this so-called counter offensive--being pounded by long range artillery and thermobaric weapons.
 
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Russia launched a massive barrage of hyper sonic missiles and destroyed Ukraine's electrical grid system country wide.

Wait, you’re saying they’re targeting civilians? Are you sure? I bet it’s just a false flag. Russia would never target civilians unless their army was complete shit and they were getting their asses handed to them.

It’s gonna be a long, hard, cold winter for Ukraine. Oh wait, never mind.

 
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It’s all going according to plan! lmao



 
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It’s all going according to plan! lmao





this has been getting a lot of buzz in certain circles. The oligarchs are sick of Putin's shit. I expect that Putin is about to have a Yeltsin moment lol.


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It looks more and more like he made the classic mistake of believing his own BS. They were just in it for the money.
 
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this has been getting a lot of buzz in certain circles. The oligarchs are sick of Putin's shit. I expect that Putin is about to have a Yeltsin moment lol.



Don't fall into the trap of believing that the oligarchs have any real power. They are simply place-holder stooges set up to put on a show directed by the secret communist cabal that still runs Russia.

*IF* Putin was to go down in a coup or resign or whatever, it might be done in a way to make it *LOOK* like the oligarchs banded together to make it happen, but it will actually be because the real rulers of Russia wanted it and they just made it look like the oligarchs spearheaded it.


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Why the hell is there a SECOND thread about shit?


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On September 13, at 00:05, units of the Azerbaijani Armed Forces began intensive shelling of Armenian positions from artillery and large-calibre guns in the direction of Goris, Sotk and Jermuk. The enemy also uses UAVs.

There is information about the shelling of the Armenian cities of Vardenis and Jermuk. The sounds of explosions are also heard near Goris and the village of Tate

On the contact line of the Armenian and Azerbaijani troops in Jermuk there is a battle with the use of at least mortars.

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